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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:13 PM
yeah
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Judaism differs in that the holy book, the bible(or torah), is a historical account from MANY people that lived in those times and reported what they saw
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:13 PM
yeah
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the bible.... is a record of personal accounts
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it's considered factual because other historical works say the same things, and things in the bible will oft say the same thing but from completely unrelated people
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:14 PM
the bible is only a fraction of the total amount of records
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it's highly unlikely there was mass hallucination for a solid MANY centuries
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:14 PM
yeah
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i mean... how would people be hallucinating all these things which.... somewhat still happen to this day
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:15 PM
i mean... for the entirty of human history?
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there are still cases of things like medical miracles
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Ice909
Judaism differs in that the holy book, the bible(or torah), is a historical account from MANY people that lived in those times and reported what they saw
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:15 PM
which account were written by witnesses? i think the best case is someone talked to people that said they saw things happening
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things which science cannot explain but are seemingly the result of faith and prayer
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:15 PM
why is Christianity and all other related religions who also believe in God the one religion standing that still focuses on a God, and aside anything spirital or something (edited)
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things like Buddhism and Taoism and what not aren't religion so much as philosophies and spiritualism
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:16 PM
yeah
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JSheerXeno54
i mean... how would people be hallucinating all these things which.... somewhat still happen to this day
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:16 PM
people report similar experiences in regards to ufo, what do you think about that?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:17 PM
and pagans, they may have gods, but their based on forces of nature and is spirutal
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everything that is around today is either God related, anti religion, or sprirtial in nature
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
people report similar experiences in regards to ufo, what do you think about that?
the difference is UFOs are oft "reported" by a handful of mentally ill folks whereas the biblical testimonies are repeated by so many people and sources you kinda gotta accept it as fact
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JSheerXeno54
and pagans, they may have gods, but their based on forces of nature and is spirutal
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I'll rephrase my question into a longer one with more detail. Some people say that religions have the exoteric, and the esoteric. The exoteric says it's telling true stories, while the esoteric is the hidden meaning in them. You can think of the stories of Father Christmas, and the Easter rabbit, and the tooth fairy. The stories are not actually true, and as you get older you learn that they are not true. According to occultists, with myths, people are meant to work out that they are not actually saying what they literally are, for instance they're not really saying where rain comes from, instead there is hidden meaning that has to be said in veiled terms and worked out. My question is why you think the myths have nothing hidden in them, the rain represents just the rain, so they are wrong?
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Ice909
the difference is UFOs are oft "reported" by a handful of mentally ill folks whereas the biblical testimonies are repeated by so many people and sources you kinda gotta accept it as fact
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:18 PM
hmm? mentally ill folks?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
hmm? mentally ill folks?
crazy people
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:18 PM
what makes you think people writing bible weren't as crazy, as you put it?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:19 PM
well i mean.... THAT MANY crazy people which are backed up by history?
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
what makes you think people writing bible weren't as crazy, as you put it?
because the bible is the culmination of many different accounts which can be verified more often than not by other know reputable historical sources
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:19 PM
mhm
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:19 PM
you have photos of ufo
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and you find it less convincing than a letter (edited)
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:19 PM
UFOs are real too
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I'll rephrase my question into a longer one with more detail. Some people say that religions have the exoteric, and the esoteric. The exoteric says it's telling true stories, while the esoteric is the hidden meaning in them. You can think of the stories of Father Christmas, and the Easter rabbit, and the tooth fairy. The stories are not actually true, and as you get older you learn that they are not true. According to occultists, with myths, people are meant to work out that they are not actually saying what they literally are, for instance they're not really saying where rain comes from, instead there is hidden meaning that has to be said in veiled terms and worked out. My question is why you think the myths have nothing hidden in them, the rain represents just the rain, so they are wrong?
I think that's up for personal interpretation
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JSheerXeno54
UFOs are real too
oh okay are we going there
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:20 PM
while it'll totally stand with you that alot of the sightings are fake or hoaxes
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but.... we know for a fact that SOMETHING is going on
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because not every person if crazy
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or lying
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some religious folk are inclined to believe it's manifestations of demons
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I have no clue what I think
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:21 PM
it's shocking to me you dismiss reports of ufo as crazy people talk and yet you accept written text of the bible to be true. the best evidence for bible telling truth you can find is similar to what you have for ufo: eg that a person existed, that person lived in that city, the ruler of the country was that person and they said this and that (edited)
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:21 PM
well... the bible is backed up by history so
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:21 PM
like what is backed up by history?
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as we've stated, reputable historical accounts
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Sleepy, farewell
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JSheerXeno54
well... the bible is backed up by history so
responding to this I meant
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:22 PM
could you tell me what backing up is sufficient for you
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for the bible
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anon
Sleepy, farewell
sleep well, pleasure talking with you
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:22 PM
mhm
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:23 PM
i'm not asking to give me specific evidences, just the category of evidence you found convincing
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i'm not expecting you to remember all the details
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
could you tell me what backing up is sufficient for you
the bible has many pages dedicated solely to names, dates, and events that other historical texts and artifacts confirm the legitimacy of.
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:23 PM
mhm
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as far as UFOs go, I wrote off the topic earlier in the discussion because I did not want us getting off topic and frankly I know less about the subject so I just regurgitated what I've been taught from history class
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:24 PM
i think ufo is on topic, because it's about the standard of evidence you are using
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alrighty then
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:24 PM
well ok, but you can say the same about a person seeing ufo. they have their fb page, you can check their school documentation, you can even talk to them. but it only proofs that person existed, nothing more
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same with the bible
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:24 PM
i dont know if theres any real evidence, but based on logic.... you cant exactly rule out their existence
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about aliens
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but as for the bible
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like.... backed up by history (edited)
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again, the bible is but up of the testimonies from many people in that time
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:25 PM
so what does it prove exactly in your opinion?
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:25 PM
i highly doubt people would be making things up for thoasands of years
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most people that report ufo sightings are literally not well mentally
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:26 PM
im not saying everything in the bible is 100% fact, but the upmost majority of it most likely is
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:26 PM
and thats me thinkign about it logically based on how much can be proven about it, and the logic which disfavors people of old lying
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:26 PM
even if part of it is backed by evidence of people mentioned in the bible existing, what does it prove?
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how far does this proof take you
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:27 PM
it proves everything i'd think
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
how far does this proof take you
elaborate
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:27 PM
the people in the bible were REAL people, writing their accounts
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which all those accounts cross reference not only eachother, but known history as well (edited)
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Ice909
elaborate
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:28 PM
let's say you have 1000 people in a book you have a proof of 10 of them existing there is metaphysical claims going on are the metaphysical claims proven to have happened, and actually be metaphysical, not have natural origin and misinterpreted by said people because of their lack of understanding of what happened?
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ie, it's believed by scientists that noah's arc, as in, noah, from the real ass flood that science also confirms, washed up on the ararat mountains in turkey
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
mhm
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
creationist scientists
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
no... normal scientists too
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
could you find me sources please
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with peer reviews
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
as a whole, no matter how much they wanna disprove the bible, they cant
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:29 PM
look it up and you'll find that
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who'd've thunk a 9 year old would be such a strong atheist, honestly 😅
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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 4/4/2021 8:30 PM
you claimed scientists that are not creationists believe noah arc washed up on the ararat mountains in turkey
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please give me source for that so i can believe you
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:30 PM
just look it up
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A team of evangelical Christian explorers are "99.9 percent" sure they've found Noah's ark in Turkey. Others say the claim is all wet.
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JSheerXeno54 4/4/2021 8:30 PM
it'll tell u
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or that
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